Tony, sure we didn't? Of course we took the hint. I think we all read the legal issues involved in the backup thing, and we all understand Rob's point of view ;) The reason why I said we need a backup, leavig my joke about the evil hacker apart :), is exaclty what you pointed out, that is: no current project of feature or third party sw allows a real backup. The empeg info database is left out. So I am doing exactly what you're doing: encourage anyone of the great people in here who has time and capability to make a good complete backup sw for the empeg. :) And of course to them goes my thank you! :)

Taym
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